[00:00:01] Hey, everyone, this is Lynn Vartan and you are listening to the A.P.E.X Hour on K91ɬÂþ Thunder 91.1. In this show, you get more personal time with the guests who visit Southern Utah University from all over, learning more about their stories and opinions beyond their presentations on stage. We will also give you some new music to listen to and hope to turn you on to some new sounds and new genres. You can find us here every Thursday at 3:00 p.m. or on the web at suu.edu/apex. But for now, welcome to this week's show, here on Thunder 91.1.
[00:00:50] Thank you so much for having me in here.
[00:00:52] It's great to have you on the radio. I've been learning so much about your story and your organization. So I'd love to just get started by asking you to tell us a little bit about Women of the World, the amazing service organization that you founded 10 years ago.
[00:01:10] Thank you so much. And yes, I would love to. So Women of the World Organization is a nonprofit based in Salt Lake City. We assist forcibly displaced women and girls to move from survivor to an active citizen. And so since I started Women of the World from 2010 and to now we help fifteen hundred women a year. We have, of course, the three programs in our organization. The three programs that lead to the women for self-reliance are customer service, advocacy and capacity building and economic empowerment and community building. So there what I mean about the customer service is every women come with different problems and different needs and we help them to advocate for them in housing and immigration job at any where that they need, an advocacy and economic empowerment is we start to help them first with their right, how to write a resume, apply for a job or go to school. And of course, we help them with their FAFSA or they'll open even their own business. We help them with that. So that building community here. This is what I meant about it is like we give the woman voice by teaching them English. And we have a program called Practical English Program. And that is really needed for the women that have to speak up and how to speak English. Right. You know, today or now when they come to the office, I wanted to go to a talk with my children, a school, but I don't know what to tell them or I want to go to the grocery, so these kind of communication is really important. And just recently, actually, for two years from 2019, we sat to give intensive English with the three months that they learn English and they'd be ready to go to college or to open their own business or to start for, you know, a job. Yeah.
[00:03:43] Wow. I want to ask you more about some of the ways that the programs work. But first, I want to know a little bit about how the organization has developed over the years. I think that we've been hearing about how it had very humble beginnings. And if you could just tell me about the growth that that your organization has experienced in the last 10 years.
[00:04:07] Sure. Yeah. So when I started Women of the World for 7 years, I didn't have an office. So my office was my pilot on the pilot.
[00:04:17] Your Honda, your little car.
[00:04:19] Yes. I love it so much. You know, I don't want to get rid of it, even though it has so much mile mileage in it.
[00:04:25] You still have the same car.
[00:04:26] Yeah, the same car. Yeah. I really wanted to have it forever. You know, it's stay forever with me. So because the first office, you know, for my organization. So I used to go in and I went with the Honda in. And as you know, to see a lady that in this field, you know, holding bags of groceries in the snow falling here and there, I just stop. And I said, hey. I introduced myself and I say, let me help you and take them. And from there, I start to know that they're women around Salt Lake City. And I did. First time, you know, that medical interpreters. So I was doing a lot of volunteering in that field. And from there, you know, the women, they started telling me, I wish we have a woman to be a leader to advocate for us or to show us the way or give us resources. So I was a new in Salt Lake as well, you know. So me and them, we learned our resources and all these things were every single problem they have. Yeah. And from there, from seven years as we got a small office that it has only one room and such to give you a practical English. Well we, we give a practical English. Actually, before I had the office in, I used to go to the library or lecture. We had food. Were there qualities, though? I don't know was the name of the place that I used to go and tell them, you know, give me a room and they gave me a room, you know, from 6:00 until 8:00. You know, to use it. So from there, you know, giving them these practical English in these different places every day until I got the ofiice. And I was very happy to have the first office, even though it was so small. Yeah.
[00:06:30] And still growing. Now I understand you now have some staff working with you.
[00:06:35] Yeah. Yeah.
[00:06:37] But it seems like you could even go further and further and use more. Is that right?
[00:06:43] Yes. Yeah. So the first time of course a lot of people they tell me if you don't have an office, how do you help those ladies? The help I got from the amazing volunteers. They come and go and they meet with the ladies either in their home or in their coffee shop or a library. And after that, when I get that office, of course, I got the first part time case manager. And from there now, today, just like you said, Lynn, we are five staff in the office. The office went two offices together. So we have a room, you know, for their intensive English. We give an workshop or an reception room for the woman when they come. They need help. So I'm so glad we are getting bigger. And I want it to go, of course, ten times bigger, to have what I call it, is Women of the World marketplace and hopefully anchor someone that listens maybe to that to your radio and have the money. And they wanted to help with this kind of deal by growing our offices to have office and a market in the same place. Yeah.
[00:08:04] The next thing that you'd like to do is start a world, a women's world market.
[00:08:10] Exactly.
[00:08:12] Tell me a little more about your vision for that, how you envision it being part of your offices, so the offices are apart and then the market is attached to it and tell me more about your vision for that.
[00:08:23] Yeah. So it's because the women that comes from a different countries there have a lot of, you know, activities and they have a lot of way to want it to how to represent to America, you know, their food, their arts. And they have a lot of dream that they wanted to have their own dress line and they cannot afford dress to buy a restaurant or to rent one. So I thought, you know, it's really great to have that incubator, whatever you call it, or a market that when it has one kitchen and one art studio and tailoring place for this woman. These women, they come and they walk in there and they help with this money where they go to from there. You know, they help their family, their kids, and they build themselves in our country. And after that, of course, if they are ready to have their own dress line, they will say, OK, it's time for me to move and to get my own restaurant. So we'll get we'll bring another woman to take her place. So there is a lot of women, you know, waiting and love to have something like that. I did not tell them that. Yeah, you know, but I just always, you know, tell them one day is gonna happen. Some miracle, Lynn, to get their wish to come through. And so the market is actually is like it is going to be like one chapter, one play one time or one day one place to shop. You call that one soft shove. OK, yeah. And the same time, just like you said, our offices, our classroom, because we have a class action and we cannot accept more than 10 women to take intensive English because we don't have a room in there. So it is really great to have, you know, a bigger place for the classes and for, you know, workshop and all these things. Yeah.
[00:10:33] Yeah.
[00:10:36] Yeah. And it all started from your idea for this organization and by many people not on the street, but by seeing people as you were driving around and needed help, it just. Yeah. And reaching out and making a, building a relationship. It's amazing.
[00:10:50] Yeah. Yeah.
[00:10:52] Yeah, that's great. Well, I have some music to play as always, and I've picked some world music from different artists that I'd love to share with you. And if anybody really got sparked by that idea of the world market, my guest that I'm speaking with is Samira Harnish and her organization is called Women of the World. The Web site is womenofworld.org. So check it out and get in touch. But it's time for a song, and this first song that I have is, "Cucurrucucu Paloma" by Camila Mesa. You're listening to the A.P.E.X Hour on K91ɬÂþ Thunder 91.1.
[00:15:38] Samira Harnish, the founder of Women of the World service organization based in Salt Lake City. Welcome back, Samira.
[00:15:47] Thank you.
[00:15:48] Well, I want to ask you a little bit more about your organization and in particular the volunteers. It seemed like you must have so many volunteers that do so many different things. I wonder if you could tell me about the kinds of volunteers, what they do, how many - these kinds of things.
[00:16:07] Yeah. So when I said, you know, seven years, I don't have the office and my office, my car. It was a lot of volunteer. They come and go, you know, they help here and there, you know. And so we now we have I think is the closest is 60 volunteers. So the volunteers say it meant to women one on one. So when they come, you know, they do, of course, take a orientation and there, they will ask us, you know, what kind of things they wanted to do. Like what? Some of the volunteer, they said we wanted to help in advance only or to help you to do your website or to any kind of technology we need. They will help, you know, certain hours. But the volunteers with the women is amazing, you know, because they talk to them in English and they go out with them, you know. So it's great to have a friend, you know, because the women come from a different countries always. They think they are a burden in our country. So they that when they see those American volunteer come to their house and talk to them in English, teach them about to any kind of things they wanted to learn is from either math or how to take a bus from place to place. They wanted to go and how to even know what kind of food is good for their health. They teach them that, you know, and some of the volunteers. They want to, you know, want a mentee that with their children as old as their children, so the children, they play together and they go out for the park and all these things. We have volunteer, they started in 2010 and they are still with us. They go back and forth. You know where they are. I mean, they go [to universities] like here to ensure a master's degree or anything. They want to finish their life, but they come back again and they visit the same ladies that they have visited before. And just to make, to build this, a friendship with them. And we have a volunteer actually. They come to the office. They do one hour and a half practical English. And we have volunteers, of course, the other volunteers that there are doctors that they give a workshop about health, any kind of help that women, they want to ask. And we have a volunteer as a lawyer and they wanted to teach them workshop, give them a workshop about their right and any kind of question they have in mind.
[00:18:53] Wow. So you have volunteers, it sounds like in all levels.
[00:18:59] Yeah.
[00:19:01] You can volunteer one time or you can volunteer an hour a week or you can volunteer in any way. You have space for any kind of volunteer or any kind of service that people might be able to offer to help.
[00:19:14] Yeah. Yeah. And we always tell the volunteer, you know, the minimum they stay with the women is six months is because it's better for them. I mean when I say six months it doesn't mean every day or something like that. Once a week or once a month, it doesn't matter. But stay with her, you know, six months because we noticed that in the beginning when the volunteer comes and there for only one month or two months and they go because of certain things has happened in their life or moving a different state, the woman they've thought they are gone is because they don't like them or they don't want to be friends with them or anything like that.
[00:19:51] So six months is for the mentorship relationship.
[00:19:54] Yeah.
[00:19:56] Also, if somebody wanted to just come and say, help out with an event or something like that, that's possible.
[00:20:03] Yes. Yeah. Yeah. We have a few gentlemen actually they approach us and they said well can I be at an event. And we have an event this come and go in March. And so of course we tell them, yes, you should come to this event for a fashion show and do that. Yeah.
[00:20:20] And so if people want to volunteer, what is the best way for them to let you know what they can do and to sign up to volunteer?
[00:20:30] So just like you mentioned in beginning, you know, women of, our website is womenofworld.org. This place, you know, where to say, how can I help and you go through that questions and you write anything you want to say in there. It's only easy methods or forms that they fill out. And after that, it comes to that the email comes to their staff. Me.
[00:20:58] OK. So anybody listening who'd like to get involved? That's it. You go to womenofworld.org and find the how to help spot and follow the prompts. And yeah, I mean if you're interested in helping to support an event or if you're in the Salt Lake area in particular and if you just want to reach out and connect, that's seems like that's the way to do it. But speaking of events, you have a big event coming up in March.
[00:21:25] Yeah. Yeah.
[00:21:27] And I'd love to hear about it. It's a fashion show.
[00:21:29] Yeah. Yeah.
[00:21:30] Tell us more about it.
Samira Harnish [00:21:31] Yeah. So as a fashion show, it's really important, you know, for me to do that, you know, because the women, they come and they represent their country. And wearing their beautiful traditional clothes. And not only that, you know, they don't want to show any beautiful clothes on their beautiful feature. You know, they, they talk about or we say something about them, what they are doing, you know, because most of them, they are either going to college or some of them doing their master's degree or graduate. Some of them engineers, some of them pre-med, and some of them they are starting a new job or a new career. So that is really important. You know, for the American people to hear about their new neighbors, how they are building and themselves in here and to, actually they're getting, you know, is really amazing when they, when you everyone comes to see the talent of those young ladies and other things, you know, to. This is a great opportunity for the guests to be network with those young ladies as not all of them is refugee. Most of you know, some of them, they are an immigrant and some of them international student, an asylum seeker. So this way to have a friend from there, you gain a lot of you know, I will say you can a lot of knowledge and friendship with these young ladies.
[00:23:13] You know, young ladies who walk on this show all wear traditional clothing from their country. And as you said, they are all in different sort of stages. Some of them are students, some of them are already professionals, some of them are emerging professionals, some of them may be just embarking on their life here.
[00:23:33] Yes. Yeah. Yeah.
[00:23:35] The date, again?
[00:23:36] Is March 11th, and it's going to be Wednesday and it's afternoon, you know, 6:00 until 9:00. Yes. So I hope the more people they come to see it because is our tenth anniversary for Women of the World. Ten years for Women of the World. Yeah.
[00:23:56] That's great. And there's great food and great music.
[00:24:00] Yes, international food and music and, and to hear, you know, this a successful story.
[00:24:05] And where can you buy tickets?
[00:24:06] Oh. On the website, actually, we have it on the website. You go in there, womenofworld.org. And you see the tickets in there. Yeah,.
[00:24:16] That's right. Do you have any other special events? Is this the main event during the year or are there other sort of events that you sponsor?
[00:24:25] So this is the biggest one is for fundraiser. And now the other event we do is December. We give a certificate for the woman that reached their goals to motivate the other ladies to work hard, to reach to their goals for the next year to get their certificate. So it's really kind of nice to see the women that are coming with their husbands and family wearing beautiful clothes coming on December. That is actually free for public. It's because why I did it free is because I want the American again to come to eat traditional, different to- I'm sorry, internationals to food and now hear music and the same time to me, those ladies and hear their story and why they're getting a certificate today. I want to show them that they are independent. They are working hard. They are thriving in our state. And the woman they wanted to push yet there and you know, the neighbor that they are there. Salt Lake City for giving them a chance to start from zero. So it's really important for our new neighbors to be seeing more, more American to come and see them because they wanted to just inform them that we are not depend on food stamps or for your taxes and all these things. And then that's the other thing says here. I want to I actually forgot what I wanted to say. This event kind of started from 2010. And I remember I gave two certificates in the beginning of 2010 and last year. Last December, I give 10 times more. And people that are coming, you know, more people that are coming out to think about a place we always take. Is it the county building? There were very, very generous to give us that place. And now the county building, they said that's not enough for 300 people to come. So we have to look for another place.
[00:26:47] That's great. So that happens every year in December.
[00:26:50] Yeah. The first week of December, always on the weekend, Saturday, it's always the first Saturday from two o'clock to five.
[00:26:59] The certificates are given to the women for achieving their goals. And now are these goals that are set in the- how are the goals set in the counseling sessions and the individual sessions, are they specific?
[00:27:12] Yeah. So when the women, they come to new women, they come to our office. We open for them a file. And there is a question, it says, what's your goal and future? You know, many women there said, you know, my goal is to be a nurse, to be a doctor, to learn English. My goal is to learn how to drive a car. And my goal is to be independent, you know. So this is a goal. You know, some of the goals, actually, kind of funny. They said, OK, we want peace in our country. You know, not all those. Yeah. You know, it's kind of amazing when they talk about that. You know, I want my son to be reached to the, you know, to college and to get a scholarship and all these things. So these girls, of course, you know, we try our best to make it possible for them, because when they come to our office, they always say, oh, people, they send me to you is because you make the impossible possible. And I said, we'll try our best to do that. So this is a way when they reach a task.
[00:28:20] Wow, that's beautiful.
[00:28:20] Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:28:24] Well, I have lots more questions, but I think it's time for another song. Now, we're going to hear Camila Mesa and the song is "Cucurrucucu Paloma". This is K91ɬÂþ Thunder 91.1.
[00:32:36] Welcome back, I'm Lynn Vartan. You're listening to K91ɬÂþ Thunder 91.1. That song was "Cucurrucucu Paloma" and the artist is Camila Mesa. And if you're interested in any other music, I have a playlist that is on our website and our website is suu.edu/apex. And right on that page is a embedded played on A.P.E.X Hour soundtrack. So if you want to, it's an open Spotify playlist. If you like the music and kinda want to check it out again or want to remember some of the songs that you've heard on the show, that playlist is is there. And again, that website is suu.edu/apex. I'm joined in the studio by Samira Harnish. Welcome back, Samira.
[00:33:26] Thank you.
[00:33:27] Samira is the founder of Women of the World, an incredible service organization that helps women who are refugees, asylum seekers, immigrants and also DACA women. And it's based out of Salt Lake. And we've been having a great conversation about the organization. I'd love to turn the conversation now to talk about the women themselves, particularly the refugees, because I think that many of us in our day to day life may not know personally refugees. I'd love to know a little bit more about some of their feelings and some of their opinions as you get them as they go through the system and integrate into American society, if you could talk about that a little bit.
[00:34:22] Yeah, sure. So yeah, that refugee is special, just like you said. You know, always they think they are a burden to us. So when they come and get that, you know, get this education from us one on one in women of the world, like, let's say, for instance, you know, to apply for a job. I remember one of the young lady that she has a great job back home with her husband. But when they came in, of course, with her degree, she can now practice. Like most of the women that come, though, they don't practice with their degree. Who knows? They have to have a certificate or to certify their degree to American way. Yeah. Re-certify. So I remember I got a job in one of the place that she works in there and get the all the you know, it wasn't her entire way. You know, to be in the cloth department, but she said at least it's the beginning because I need the money. And now when she was working in there, you know, within a year, actually, she is still in the same position that is back in their own sorting. And whenever there is a new woman like American women, that she trained them and that this woman will take higher position, but she's still in lower position and lower pay. So she came crying to me and she said, that's really not fair. What can I do? And I said, well, you could talk to your boss and tell him, you know, what can I do to get a better position like the other woman? They come in here, is there something I could take to study or land or train or anything that I could do there? And when she would actually talk to him, you know, a couple men the next day she called me. She said, it's really funny that the boss did not know she was speaking English very well. I mean, he was so surprised when she talked. But I mean, I thought then how you could to train someone with the English language. He should know that. But I think as she mentioned that to him, to make him recognize that she is not liking what she is getting because unfortunately, some of the bosses, they think, oh, well, she does not know anything. Yeah. Let's just go ahead and let her. She's doing really great job on whatever. Let's leave her in the same position. It's happened many times. You know, some of the time, I've gone and talked to them, you know, and tell them, you know, this woman, she knows very well her degrees, this degree, English, you know, bachelor degree or any kind of thing. But because she speak English a little bit, you know, it doesn't mean she does not understand what you're telling her about other things, since they think it's not because of the English law, is because they're women free to speak up to the boss. They were afraid to be send out, you know, fired or tell them, you know, go home. You know, we don't want you, you know. They are afraid to lose their job, most of it. So, yeah.
[00:38:07] Seems like that's another big thing that they're thinking about. They get a very valuable job there. They get a job and that's very valuable to them. But a fear of losing.
[00:38:21] Yeah. And especially when they have kids and they want to take care of them and bills and all these things and many things that's happening, you know. And of course, you know, the Muslim women there have a lot of issues as well, especially with the hijab, you know, the students there at the school, you know, with the hijab being, you know, harassed by people because you're, you're Muslim. Go home. We don't want you in here. And I remember one of the younger as well from Somalia. You know, she came into my office and she said she's been in our job more than three years and she has a bachelor's degree from USC who actually is now from our background from Somalia. And she said every time she wanted to go out, you know, from her office to meet someone there bothering her. No, say it behind. No, I don't want people to see you. And you scared them. So if they do find you have a lot of this kind of issue and all we do is we train them and tell them, you know, what they need to speak to their boss and it's OK. This is your right. Don't be afraid. You know, it's OK. If they fired from that job, you know, you could find another place. And that's not OK to keep quiet and all these things. So we do to shame about this, is that right? Yeah.
[00:39:45] What about other perhaps, misconceptions. Do you think that you see that are the most common misconceptions that people have about refugees, particularly refugee women?
[00:40:00] I think it's. I heard, of course, in my years, many times, you know, when I go and speak about that, is some, I would say ignorant people. They always say they are homeless. We don't want them to be in here to take our taxes and all these things. So, I mean, the refugee, I call them our new neighbors or new Americans. They hear that and they don't like it. You see them there. So they put their head down, you know, and I just don't like that. You know, so, of course, you know, what I have is the education. You know, the only weapon I have is that their story or what they are doing and talking to them and changing their mind, you know, for this kind of stereotype when they talk about that. Yeah.
[00:40:59] Do people ask you? I mean, obviously, it's Women of the World, you service women. Do people ask you, well, what about the men here?
[00:41:09] Yeah.
[00:41:10] What's your answer to that?
[00:41:12] Yeah, they told me many times, especially, you know, their husband, if they are with their women, you know, they told me why not? As you know, the answer is kind of really to educate this person, to tell them, you know, that woman is more vulnerable human being and when they burn in camp, being treated badly. And if you take a war, oppression, poverty, mutilation, rape, you know, always affect women first and always is affecting their women. And for men is actually you see them when they get a job and they've got out. They don't have the traditional things that the woman is supposed to be, living at home, taking care of the kids and cooking and are doing all these things. So she has limits, resources, limits, education, limit, go and get out and taking her kids out and all these things. Men, they go to work and they speak with their friends at work, you know, in English and all these things. They learn fast and their learn, you know, they drive and they go around and all these things and better when stay home. And we don't want to build up, build more, you know, to suffer from PTSD and all these things. And that's why I always tell them, you know, they're women. They need to get out and learn. When you have a happy wife and happy mother, everybody happy in the house, you know, and healthy, you know, that's what they bring there. And seriously, I heard that from young teenager told me about that woman. I wish to teach my mom how to speak English or to teach her how to drive because I don't like to see my mom so sad at home. So that's one of the things, you know, always I think paying attention to our women and get them out and learn and to be independent, it make everybody happy in the house, really.
[00:43:32] I see. And your message has gotten national and international recognition. You were honored by the United Nations. You've been honored by the Red Cross. What have you seen in the other states and also internationally? What thoughts do you have about how refugees are being treated in other states or are nationally or internationally?
[00:44:02] Yes. The UNHCR, actually, when I was in Geneva at that time, you know, met a lot of founders of from different countries, and they have a small organization. And they would ask me a lot of questions. How did you do that? Why and how did you become, you know, and here and apt to be in the United Nation is I think, I did explain for them. You know, Utah is a great place to be in because they have a lot of volunteers and people. They give material for their work, for the refugee that they need, for being awarded in 2018. It make it different in Utah. Not a lot of people they don't know about Women of the World. They start to know that. They start to pay attention to the women. We have an young girl as well. Not only women, you know. So they start to come to our office, learn about our organization and start to mentor and talk about it to out, you know, about those are neighbors, those are new Americans in our state. We need to help them to be a good citizen and lend them a hand and all these things. So I think it's internationally. Internationally, I got a lot of e-mails in and messages on Woman of the World Facebook actually, in their language, tell me, please. I'm in there. Help me. I am not a woman. I am a man. But I need help or I am woman. And please help me. So I have to translate their language, you know, to see exactly what they want. And they thought, I am the one I should bring them from their countries to this country. And I have to explain for them and tell them, ma'am. Now, resettlement agency. I'm not United Nation. I am just a small organization that's in Utah to helping the refugee when they come here. And they need help with that.
[00:46:13] But it sounds like at the national and international level, the recognition and the conversation being very open and public is some of the best help.
[00:46:28] Exactly, exactly. Is it talking, you know, and about the issues the women going through and what's going on in our world right now, 72 million displaced people all over the world. You know? Yeah. Yeah. So is talking about this issue a lot, you know, and make the awareness for the people that they are in here giving their talent to us. And they're amazing. They are resilient. They lost everything. But they didn't lose their dignity and determination. So there's a lot of, I think is there's a lot of movement that are changing their mind in. And they pay, I mean, they go and they explain out for the people that they know. They have a bad ideas about the refugee. Yeah.
[00:47:25] Well, thank you. I have one more song to play. And this song is called "Water" and the artist is by Taimane. So we'll take a listen to this. You're listening to K91ɬÂþ Thunder 91.1.
[00:52:47] I"m in the studio with Samira Harnish. Welcome back, Samira.
[00:52:51] Thank you.
[00:52:52] And we want to make sure that everybody knows your organization is based out of Salt Lake. It's called Women of the World.
[00:52:59] No. Yes. I'm sorry.
[00:53:02] The organization is called Women of the World, but the website is womenofworld.org. So we hope that everybody listening will definitely check that out and find out even more and maybe volunteer if you're interested. So to close our time together on the radio, I always ask my guests a very important question and it's a playful question. We'd like our audience to get to know a little bit more about you, and so we say, what's turning you on this week? It could be anything. It could be a movie. It could be a food. It could be music. It could be whatever. Whatever you like. So my question to you, Samira Harnish, what is turning you on this week?
[00:53:48] This week was turn me on is Utah opens the door for more refugees to come and this is amazing.
[00:53:59] That's great news and that's recent news. Well, congrats then. That's good news for Utah, and for our new neighbors.
[00:54:10] Yes, it is.
[00:54:12] Well, that's all the time that we have today. I'd like to say thank you so much, Samira, for your time with me.
[00:54:16] Thank you. From bottom of my heart, really. I had enjoyed everything.
[00:54:20] Wonderful. Yeah, great. Well, we'll see you next time.
[00:54:25] Thanks so much for listening to the A.P.E.X Hour here on K91ɬÂþ Thunder 91.1. Come find us again next Thursday at 3 p.m. for more conversations with the visiting guests at Southern Utah University. And new music to discover for your next playlist. And in the meantime, we would love to see you at our events on campus to find out more. Check out suu.edu/apex. Until next week, this is Lynn Vartan saying goodbye from the A.P.E.X Hour, here on Thunder 91.1.
